We listened to your first remarks and already tested some brake prototypes. Thanks for pointing out already existing brake systems… we appreciate the feedback.
So another R&D Update question:
What would you prefer: a Handbrake or a Footbrake
Ad your remarks & votes in the comments. Thx a lot!
Handbreak. Because your hands will always be on the handle, so you have quicker response time in an emergency. Keep up the good work.
I would like to start off saying I love this product, and very much want one! So the question of the breaks? Why not both?
I’d vote for foot break…
If you guys don’t know about this pogo break so here’s an interesting link…
I’ve tried it once on a freeride and it’s really powerful and esay to use once you get the hang of it.
Please note that I am in no way associated to the pogo longboard, I’m just a rider that thinks this system could be pretty nice for the longboardstroller and maybe the easiest to install…
Excuse my english as I’m from France…
Keep up the good work…
Ik zou kiezen voor een handrem die omgekeerd werkt. Een rem die altijd geactiveerd is, de gebruiker moet dus verplicht een hendel indrukken voor het bord kan bewegen. Dit heeft nogal wat voordelen:
- het bord kan nooit van zichzelf beginnen rollen zonder bestuurder erop
- het verplicht de gebruiker het handvat vast te houden tijdens het gebruik
- je kan het bord parkeren op een helling
- het geeft een veilig gevoel aan beginnende borders
Het enige en grootste nadeel is natuurlijk dat mensen een omgekeerde rem niet gewoon zijn,
misschien wel met de bagage karretjes op Zaventem…
Optie is om eventueel een hendel te ontwerpen die tussen een conventionele en omgekeerde positie kan switchen. Beginner VS gevorderde?
Footbrake. Girlfriend says: Handbrake
More of a reflex, more familiar gesture.
footbrake. Athentic longboatd spirit, please no handbrake. No way!
Hand brake all the way
Looks great, can’t wait til it comes out. Definately handbrake.
Hand brake please
I think a handbrake would be nice for this application, kinda odd for a skateboard…but since its more like a scooter it would make sense.
Handbrake, as much like a bike brake as possible!
Foot brake – this’ll move you center of gravity to the rear. If you’re using a handbrake, esp novice skaters, you may not have the presence of mind to lean back as you slow and potentially bail forward with the kid.
handbrake as natural reaction in a time of fear or when brake is needed would be to grab tight onto what is holding your baby!
Given it’s a longboard there’s always going to be the option to footbreak (by putting one foot on the ground and keeping the other on the board) so having a handbreak as well would give everyone both options.
I like this idea. I was thinking the same thing. A normal foot break is always an option so an added hand break would be a plus anyway. Message*
I think a handbrake is the best option.
Why not both? The Hand-break idea is awesome especially if needed in an emergency. While the Foot-break could work like a scooters break, slowing the Rider down.
Handbrake, ease and simplicity of use, especially for newcomers to skating if they chose to use the stroller.
I would prefer handbrake. But if possible, both hand and foot would be the best.
A regular stroller has no handbrake, and some running strollers also, i think that a handbrake in a longborad is not necessary.
Are going to do Downhill with your children?
Footbrake is enoughtt in every conditions.
Hands down, hand break.
I’d prefer a handbrake
I’d say both hand and foot brake. As a skateboarder, I wouldn’t always be holding the handle bar. In case of emergency braking, I’d like to refer to the foot brake, because that is my skateboarding reflex. (not popping up the nose with the baby carriage by kicking down the tail, but just by stepping on the tail foot brake). But having a handbrake is obligatory, I think.
Handbrake! we agree with Amy!
Handbrake – I think it would appeal to the broader market and be safer.
Definitely a handbrake!
Footbreak…. It’s a longboard.
and Freeride wheels for standies
Hand break please! More control in my humble opinion
Hand break over foot break for me. Either way it must be controlling the rear wheels.
Foot break at the rear will be too limiting to riders for foot placement. Smaller riders will be over stretched. It’s true that any riders will need to be keeping their weight back but controlling this with education rather than a break is better. Being comfortable in stance will be more benifical.
The hands will generally always be on the handle bars so a hand break makes sense.
Handbrakes would be the fastest way to make a stop for this system. However if some irresponsible parent would make a brake right after a fast cruise, it might send the riders flying. Especially if there’s a lot of weight in front. (Maybe depends on where to but the brake)
A footbrake would not be the fastest way to stop the stroller, but by using the foot, the rider could calculate the friction for his foot to the ground to enable a full stop. It won’t be immediate but you could slowdown first before making a complete stop using your foot. (But probably a bumpy halt for the kid on the sit?)
I like this concept very much. I like longboarding, there’s something about it that makes strolling outside better. Not the safest, but fun….really fun.
Footbreak will be the best one, the longboard stroller will be changed if you use handbreaks. If you will put handbreaks on it im pretty sure you will use the big wheels not the longboard wheels. And with the safety, this will not be suitable if you are not a board rider.
People who requesting hand brakes clearly don’t skate, are they even your target audience? You hardling going to be bombing or drifting with your baby onboard, I regularly bomb around the park with my 18 month old on the front of an old skool G&S longboard with never any requirement for any heavy foot braking. Keep it real!
I think the safest brake is the handbrake because your hand(s) will be always on the quinny. For beginners it will be difficult to find the footbrake and maybe dangerous.
But i think for experienced skaters it’s nicer to have a footbrake.
But I prefer 2 brakes:
No hands on stroller = safety brake will be on. (Also easier to put your child in the seat, otherwise the longboard will move)
Hand(s) on stroller safetybrake is off and you can push the longboardstroller further.
Then it would be cool to have the footbrake too, brake for normal conditions.
It will give more fun to the driver.
For emergency you can replace your hands -> safety handbrake and also brake with your foot
Handbrake because my brain is used to using one on a bike. So more instinctive reaction in an emergency stop situation.
absolutely foot brake !!
Looking at the trial videos and designs, a foot break would probably work more effectively. Something possibly even on the back kick, similar to a razor scooter. just an idea…
Why not make dual products one hand and one foot either combine them or sell them as different products for one with hand brakes and ones with foot brakes!? Either it could be versitile or whatever your going to make money off either ones! Or you could make them different and see which ones sell faster hand or foot! Either way brakes going to have to be on the baby’s wheels unless you got some massive board ones
Both – I ride a xootr in San Francisco and with the hills, I find both brakes necessary. With my kid on the front, I would definitely want a solid, controlled braking option.
Both, but if I have to choose one then I say handbrake, it feels like it will be easier/faster to handle.
Foot brake for sure!!
Both. Each rider is different and each parent is going to feel safer differently. For someone who is a rider a foot break will be habit but for the parent who needs to be in control a hand break would be ideal. Have both options on the board
Option of choosing hand, foot, or both would be nice. My assumption is that placement would be an important factor to avoid accidental braking from your hand or foot.
Other things to consider – Storage on underside of child seat. Cup holder. Foldability. Aluminum board and/or seat frame to maintain Quinny design language. As a designer + new dad, I’m really excited about this and looking forward to seeing more progress. Great job!
It s a skate or a scooter?
So…… footbreack of course…..
Foot brake-a handbrake is likely to be a more complicated system and therefore more likely to go wrong and potentially fail when you need it most. A simple, effective rear foot brake would be my choice.
As a skater I recommend a footbrake, it comes natural. So my suggestion to a newbie better get to know how to skate first. A handbrake is a good option if it works only on the rear. Keep up the goodwork!
Message*No fucking break!
Footbreak so it keeps the skate spirite
I’d recommend a FOOTBRAKE, because Skaters are used to slow down in that way and I think people who never skated would, in the end, rather not buy this product. I can’t really imagine how a handbrake would work more effectively, safer and be more durable than a footbrake!
Handbrake. Is there a way you can hold the breakes and if you let go it stops. Similar to a luggage cart at an airport.
Footbrake – it’s more natural for longboard to work with feet not hands and I’m sure we want to keep the plasure from riding.
Make a hand brake but make it so the brake is always on except when the person has the lever pressed. That way if the parent falls off or isnt watching the stroller, it doesnt go flying down the hill
100 % footbrake. Hands are holding the pushchair and it seems to me way more natural to use footbreak while skateboarding.
Congratz for the project. I am really looking forward test drivinging it in Romania. As for the question, i am for the hand brake system.
congratulations for the great idea….
as a skater, I prefere a footbrake…… (rear footbrake is probably the most pratical solution)
when do you expect that it can be put up for sale?
thank you and good luck for the project……
Defo foot brake.
I agree that HANDBRAKE, (sorry, I wasn’t yelling, I just wanted to make it easy to see which way I was voting,) would be the way to go. Your hands are always there, but your feet shift depending on if you’re pumping, coasting, turning, etc. I’d say it needs to be stiff though, you don’t want to accidentally hit it, and it’s got to brake the back wheels, braking the front could be somewhat catastrophic… thanks!
Handbrake – at the end it’s a stroller and not a longboard any longer, so safety first!
I agree to the previous comments where a safety mechanism is proposed e.g. If the parent falls off the board. No way that the stroller can run free then! Maybe a kind of safety leach? Or the “press to release break” would work as well.
Hand brake no doubt about it
anyone who has ridden a skateboard will want a footbrake – hand break would be weird.
although I do like the persons comment above that provides both options on the board.
Personally I would be cool using traditional footbrake. But when your hauling precious cargo like your child, option for extra breaking power would be nice. But I think it would have to be easily attached and removed for those who would like it and more experienced boarders who feel comfortable without it.
Footbrake I would say, I assume it would be better for child safety as the skater would have to lean backward a bit to break.
Otherwise I think it is just a Fantastic Idea, I am sure my daugther would love it!
If you custmized it to have hand and foot break that would be convinent
none. i am a able bodied active athletic dad. i can handle this in my coastal town on our boardwalk no problem. will gladly sign a waiver or whatever. leave it stripped down and simple. proceed at your own risk.
with a stroller and a child in front of you, the only job your hands must have is to worry about the child;
for steering, speeding or braking you should use your feet…
moi ,je dirai frein a main!!!! :je m’explique un frein a main lorsque qu’il est appuyé le longboard roule et lorsqu’il est relâché la board stoppe (pour éviter que la board ne s’échappe en pente avec notre enfant a bord (plus sécurisant pour une utilisation urbaine) .
Système de freins pour moi le plus sécurisant .
how about a hand brake built on to the hand rail of the stroller so as you hold it all you need to do is squeeze to brake like a bike but place side ways on the hand rail
I think is better handbrake but much better the two systems, principal in hands and auxiliar in the skate.
One question: the child seat has safety belts?
ok. I see the seat belts in video. Sorry
both. The right solution.
Although it would be nice I have not seen any hand.brake system I would like to see one.
Just know her and these two systems; http://www.long-brake.com/ http://www.brakeboard.com/
Foot brake, skateboards don’t have handlebars
Handbrake. As a skateboarder, I am comfortable dragging my back foot to slow down if needed. Handbrake would be optimum, as I am already used to using a handbrake on bikes.
This potential is huge to me…but please hurry, my kid is 6 months old and I want to intro her to skateboarding.
personally i have to say that i’m astonished by your work… i’m no skater, but i’m biking a lot, so i’m more used to handbrake…
It has to be a foot brake. A) To follow the culture of boarding/ scootering a foot brake is “culturally” correct. B) Also, it is likely to be less expensive to produce. C) Plus braking potential is stronger with full body weight and because the hand/mind pathways are not being confused by braking and steering at the same time it is safer and the rider has better control.
Definitely both if possible. if not hand brake may be safest, folks aren’t so nimble on their feet when balancing and so on.
I would prefer a hand break but why not have the option? Great idea by the way!! I’m going to be watching for when they go out for sale!! : D
what about a dead-mans foot brake or hand brake like on a train (usually for hands). If you let go it stops, of course you don’t want to launch everybody either, but it could be a safety thing if you fell off- your kid would stop.
Then employ a hand brake for normal operation…
It is simple have both. A hand and foot break can be selected to personal preference so people can use which ever one they are most comfortable with.
The first moment I saw a picture of your stroller I thought I would love this if only it had a hand brake. I think peoples stance on the board would vary greatly to allow for a footbrake (especially for shorter riders) but pretty much everyone would have their hands on the handlebar so my vote goes with Handbrake.
I think it should have both break options. Hand break like other joggers, maybe a foot break also. I use the breaks on both handles when riding a bike. Can there be a front folding bar for additional safety?
why not both? This will make it way more sellable to parents who are thrillers yet are super careful with their kids. Always good to have all the options in emergency. Then they dont go saying they should have had the hand brake or vice versa. At least thats what i would do if i were designing this. Or have it optional additional cost, an upgrade to have them both. So again, the consumers had the option to choose one or the other or both and its really up to them to have both. When things go wrong they cant really blame you guys for it. Because they had the option to have both brakes.
Handbrake. Quicker response time and more reliable because I can feel better with my fingers than I can through my shoes.
Rear foot break. Like those razor scooters. Small rear spring loaded pedal that when pressed lowers a piece of flat metal on to the wheels(even wear on the wheels)
I would fit a handbrake as this is what we have in our jogging stroller and it works well.
I will prefer footbrake !!!
Handbrake is the better also wanted a purple
Both, If you sell both as standard then those that are comfortable can just remove the handbrake.
I would feel happier knowing I have two brakes, I bike alot and I tend to use both when slowing from high speed (back then front). It will have to be cost effective to keep the price of the board down to a realistic level. I live near a 30 km beachside bike track so I need one of these – If you need any help developing for australian weather or large fella (I am 6’5 and well built 18 stones) I am willing to help .
Seriously though maybe a couple of different sizes would be a good idea- I struggle getting things that I can comfortably use due to my size.
I don’t remember any of my skateboards having a brake, so I say no brake. Skate shoe company’s will go out of business if you start putting brakes on skateboards.
lol this is not JUST a skateboard. It is also a baby carrier and thus needs a breaking option other than your foot. You have to consider the childs safety not just your own joyride.
a brake is too much, but a leash over one wrist is better. Look at a leash
Handbrake Handbrake Handbrake!. Jogging strollers have handbrakes. It seems safer for a stroller. Quicker reflex and feels more automatic – especially if you’re not a skater, normally. If a car pulled out in front of me, I would want to quickest, easiest way to stop, especially if my kid is involved. I love love love this product, but wouldn’t feel comfortable riding with a foot brake…I’m no professional skateboarder, and would want to put my kids’ safety first.
Also, a roll bar seems like a good addition for safety? If it does fall forward, wherever the point of impact on the child, there should be a roll bar. Plus then we can clamp snack trap bowls to it! I’m such a mom…
Love this concept being in sunny southern California this will be great everyday. And why not. Both brakes, can’t wait till this hits the market for me and my grandkids!
I say go with a handbrake. It could be like a bicycle hand break on the handle above the baby carrier part. The problem with a foot break is you would have to balance on one foot to use it which could make you unsteady. Safety first with a baby on board
Definite handbreak. You’d need both feet firm on the deck to retain control.
I agree with the idea to buy it with a standard of both brakes which could be removable once we will be comfortable enough.
Also, I will be please to use this amazing stroller as a regular longboard the day my kid will be too big to sit in the chair and ride with me
PS : I’m looking everyday to hear news about your genius project !!
I say both hand and foot brakes. Putting brakes at the front is slightly risky for fear of endos or front flips. But having brakes on all wheels would mean better braking power.Rear skids are more manageable when controlling a wheel based ‘vehicle’ from my experience. Also not forgetting equipment failure. Dont want to be on a moving longboard without any way to stop. Anything happens, we should have an alternative. Especially when your precious is toddler sitting in front.
I also feel that it will appeal to ‘safe bet’ customers knowing that there multiple safety features to fall back on. Brakes are basic safety features. Since there is integration of extreme sport and safety, safety should still be priority.
At the end of the day, we just want to have a good time with our precious little one, a good workout and be back safe.
I would prefer a handbrake personally. I think a design like this would really be best if it had both, or at least a buying option to choose which one you prefer. Not everyone is a longboarder/skateboarder so the footbreak reflex may be hard to master. I am mostly drawn to this since it essentially becomes a scooter. I am not a skateboarder and am not really adept at riding any vehicle propelled by my own power, bike/skateboard/scooter. I would love this device for just a little fun and exercise, nothing crazy or extreme. So from the viewpoint of someone who gets a little freaked out by speed I prefer a handbreak, since you can also aid in slowing yourself by putting a foot down, but both would be ideal. Also if you are going along in the city not all drivers are very aware or careful and even if it is your right away, say at a crosswalk, there is always the chance of a super quick stop needed and you can’t always be quite sure that in that split second you can remember the handbreak/footbreak if you are used to the opposite style.
My 2 cents! I am about to have a baby around June 14, 2014 so you guys have about a year and a half to get this thing on the market cuz I want it! lol
A footbrake can be done quickly, effectively, and any speed this stroller would ever be travelling. However, it takes more skill than a bike-style handbrake does. Also, it may turn people off from the product if they don’t feel like wearing their shoe-sole away by braking.
If I had this product I would food brake because I already longboard and find it more effective. But I can see this being a barrier for some people.
Even with the handbrake it wouldnt turn people away at all. You can still just as easily footbrake with your shoe as you please just dont use the handbrake or take it off.
Has to be a handbrake. While your moving you switch your feet. The hand brake works on two different levels. One: it allows you to slow down while keeping balance and your feet in control of the board. Two: the handbrake should ALWAYS be engaged unless your holding it. Why? Because if you fall off your board you’re essentially ghost riding your kid.
does not really matter. make it real!
Handbrake. Understand that when riding even something as small as a scooter it is tiring to put so much focus and energy into your foot on the back to brake especially when going too fast. One leg gets tired and over used from all your weight being on it cause you cant put your full weight on the back where the brake would go. Your foot, if not on the brake would also take to long in case of an emergency to stop. Now not only would i not buy one if it had a foot brake because of those reasons but also it cause instability in your riding and a lack of improved balance because your feet will have to shift your weight and distribute your balance more than usual in order to brake and that causes more risk for you and especially the little one.
Please also remember, long boards can get out of our reach and can slide out from under you or if you fall. You need to have some kind of a release system or a cable attached to the handle and that attaches to your hand cause if not then the baby could be sent off the road, into the water, into traffic, and so on and you don’t want death on your hands with this, so this needs to be taken into high consideration.
Also if there is any type of crash… there needs to be some kind of strong yet thin bar(s) that are rounded bending away from the seats frame so that if the child wear to hit a pole, rock, etc, the bar would stop the baby from being hurt.
With all of these together i would love to buy this product as i know many many others would. I hope you have taken these all into consideration. Please add these things. I would never let me child into this because of the risk. Thank you!!!!
Definately handbrake! It’s more comfortable to use hands than legs. Also the reaction is usually faster with hands. (Of course when you’re not a proffessional skateboarder)
I think i would struggle with footbrake
I use a skatebrake on my longboard. I love it. I vote handbrake.
You could easily use these kits on your stroller. Just ditch the bar and grip and place the lever on the stroller frame. No modification needed. You could probably partner with them.
FYI – I use the brake on a SnapSkate folding board, for the ultimate commuting board with safety.
Not sure hinged board is something you could integrate in V1 but perhaps a super compact V2 that fits in a backpack?
I choose the footbrake, for several reasons :
First : I will have my two hand the top of metallic architecture of the cose
Secondly : For the balance especially in tunrs or in case of fall, I have to have 2 free hands.
Third : On a car, I have my hands on the steering wheel, and the feet on accelarator or brake paddle. So my reflex will be the foot
Last reason : I pratice the scooter my first son (he pratices the scooter since he was 20 months), and sometime my second son (on my back). I have the two hands on the handlebars and the back foot on the brake system.
i prefer foot brake. as the ride is powered by foot but please make this available in Singapore. me and my wife really need this.. save us all the troubles.
You would already have your foot as a footbrake, so a handbrake would be good to add on. We use a Phil & teds navigator pram that has an autostop handbrake on the handle bar and a kill cord for your wrist. That sort of thing would be good for the longboard stroller too:
handbreak, because your hands are always there,..so its quicker!!
Non-skaters want hand brake…skaters want foot brake. Non-skaters don´t understand that a hand brake will send you flying forward over your kid like this guy said earlier:
Foot brake – this’ll move your center of gravity to the rear. If you’re using a handbrake, esp novice skaters, you may not have the presence of mind to lean back as you slow and potentially bail forward with the kid.
THEREFORE IT MUST BE A FOOT BRAKE. THIS IS A PRODUCT FOR SKATERS! (right?)
double action FAIL SAFE handbrake!!!
Hey, how about a handbrake with a second fail safe lever?
1. Fail Safe function: you need to press down the fail safe lever so the brake is released (like airport luggage trolley), and when released it engages the break with limited force, i.e. to smoothly slow down and stop 20-30 kg of weight (stroller+baby, without the adult)
2. Break function: the normal brake lever operates independently from the fail safe lever, i.e. you can break without releasing the fail safe lever.
3. Construction: the fail safe lever can be built in the bar. When released it just engages the break through a preloaded spring, that can be also fine tuned.
You can take the idea for the second version and I can send you some sketches if you wish…
…unless your second version will be an electric longboardstroller
Thanx for your nice suggestions. These also passed our minds during development.
We did not choose to go with it because you have to keep activating it during use, i.e. as soon as you change hands from left to right and you release the bar the LBS starts to brake. We saw this as a big disadvantage.
It limits your freedom to ride and with the solution we have now the user stays connected to the product.
Maybe we can indeed reconsider it in a second future version and try out in some prototypes.
Although I like the sound of a hand break I feel that it will be very difficult to have durability with a hand break. If you are going fast and you squeeze the breaks hard all of the riders weight and the weight of he child will exert so much stress on the bolts and wood of the board. I feel like with a foot break this can happen too but I imagine wth a foot break the rider will lean backwards a little bit to push on the break (like a razor scooter) and thus lessening the stress on the bolts. But I suppose if it is engineered properly a hand break can work. However from the pictures it seems the whole thing would just snap off under hard breaking. Keep it up tho I’m definitely interested!
We did a lot of tests… don’t worry! Thanks